A couple days ago I commented in defense of this guy who recently Friended me on Facebook against someone being a snotty a d-bag to him in a thread on one of his threads that was at the top of my feed. I chopped up the d-bag and this new friend, Ryan, thanked me for the defense, Liked my comments and I clicked over to his page for the first time, where I saw this post:
Mitt Romney calls himself an “Unofficial southerner” in Mississippi today. OMG! The gaffe machine keeps on rolling. Mitt cannot just be himself. He’s such a politician. He tries way too hard to fit in wherever he goes. He even changes his policy positions from state to state. In Michigan he was for the auto bailout. In Ohio he was against it. As governor of Massachusetts he said Romneycare should be the model for the nation. In Republican debates he said he’d repeal Obamacare. LOL
This was an annoying enough smear that I kept seeing that I finally made a video I demolished the false claim that Mitt Romney was in any way being fake in an appearance where he did the opposite and made some jokes at his expense over his lack of southern pedigree while campaigning for votes in the south.
I didnt notice this before, but now that I’m reposting the exchange that ensued, I notice that later down the thread, one of his Republican friends expresses caution:
Weird response for a number of reasons. I’m not a Republican, but I do like Mitt Romney and even more than liking him personally, I like facts and reality. Before I even got to saying anything to this guy he was saying the opposite of truth.
Anyone could beat Obama at this point that’s running. And just for the actual RECORD, no poll has Mitt Romney doing the best.
The truth is exactly the opposite. Just by coincidence I happen to have the poll averages in a separate window on my second monitor here as I type this. Check them out for yourself. Romney is the only one whom any poll says can beat Obama.
In fact, Rasmussen who is the most accurate in polling has santorum and ron paul doing exactly the SAME against Obama as Romney and in swing states like Ohio and Iowa Santorum actually does better.
Here is what went down. Let me know if you think I was being unreasonable or an asshole – but more importantly – if I said anything that isn’t 100% unmitigated truth:
did you see the video of this? theres nothing gaffey about it. its very self-referential. the whole point of saying he’s an unofficial southerner is to acknowledge that he’s a stiff-ass yankee. learning to say “y’all” was an added joke and a good one. he’s not pandering or adapting a black-ccent when in a southern church like Obama or Hillary – he’s doing the opposite: acknowledging he’s different through the use of self deprecating humor and then adding on top of that that he is still on the side of those he is different from and pointing out the similarities they share.
Romney has never supported a national healthcare mandate in his life. its even in his debates with teddy kennedy from the 90s (that people use against him because he was pro-choice). that he opposed such a thing. likewise, he’s always supported healthcare reform on a national level and said so. what the anti-Romney people are doing is pretend Romney meant (even though he never said) “national mandate” when he says healthcare reform should be adopted nationally. DeMint said the same thing Romney did about Romneycare being an example for the nation. neither man was referring to the mandate to buy insurance because that wasnt even thought of by them. Romneycare wasnt controversial in the 08 election and no one accused Romney of wanting an insurance mandate nationally then. this is a manufactured issue. both of these are. dont be fooled by them.
Well you and I can agree to disagree on this one. I won’t call you any names I promise! You at least attempt to seek the truth. Romney is not a good guy in my book. I don’t trust him. He’s a crook and a liar and something is not right about him. His record is shameful and I’d rather have a governor like Reagan coming to the Republican Party who spoke out against socialized medicine, not implemented it in their state then have to try and tell us “well I don’t want it for the whole nation. Only people in my state are required to buy insurance.” that’s not a great man in my book.
People disagree on opinions, not facts. so what fact are you disputing here that gave you the opinion that Romneys an untrustworthy crook? When has he ever, in business or politics not done EXACTLY to the letter what he said he would? I thought that was his biggest criticism: he kept his promise to MA voters not to change their abortion law despite always being personally against abortion and changing his public policy position on the matter while in office. ?
Did you watch the video at the liberal source at the link you provided? If not – why make a snap judgement on it? If so – explain how anything I said isnt spot on and air tight? You really didnt understand the y’all and honorary southern humor? or you just didnt like it for some other reason? or what?
Do you think Jim Demint was referring to an insurance mandate in that clip i provided? if not, why do you accuse Romney when he says the exact same thing?
What is “shameful” about Romneys record? to a liberal, ya, i can understand that his tax cutting, smaller government/private sector boosting, pro-life, anti-illegal immigration policies as Governor were distasteful but as an independent or person right of center – shameful? how? where? the only example you give is Romneycare. do you have others in mind? what are they?
Romneycare was begged for by MA citizens for years. its not like Mitt came in and gave everyone the idea. the people wanted it and it remains popular today. what is there not to admire about a person who governed the 1st or 2nd most liberal state in the union in a right of center fashion – including with Healthcare, where he worked with the Heritage Foundation to make it as rightward as possible, and continued that work by vetoing several measures of it (that were unfortunately overruled by the 85% democratic legislature).
It is a FACT that he supported abortion. It is a fact that he said he was an independent w/ progressive views. It is a FACT that he PASSED ROMNEYCARE AND WAS FOR AN INDIVIDUAL MANDATE and it is a FACT that in his book he said he thought it was a great model for the nation before removing that comment when he republished it. It’s a fact he was for gun control and it’s a fact he’s switched positions on ALL THIS which is why I think he’s a typical lying politician
It’s also a fact Romney was against Reagan and supported Dukakis.
I’m simply saying Romney is NOT a conservative at heart and never has been up until he decided to RUN FOR PRESIDENT. Don’t act like I’m just giving my opinions and there is no reason at all or any facts that somehow show Romney isn’t left wing at all. That is total HORSE SHIT!
OK I take back what i said. I’m done with you as well. Naive and dumb. LATER!
Oh and it’s a fact he raised FEES and FINES BY MILLIONS!
And after he left office it’s a fact that the budget soared from Romneycare and now the state is paying for his massive expansion of gov’t.
Romney was for smaller government? LMAO!!! WHat a lying dumb ass you are. Even Romney didn’t agree w/ what you say he was a few years ago. OMG The stupidity train is rolling fast tonight.
He never supported “abortion”. he supported the legal option of its existence for awhile. Kennedy ran an ad against him criticizing him for persuading a woman to not have an abortion because Romney has always been personally pro-life. he was an independent but he never said he had “progressive views”. he said his views are progressive – which is not splitting hairs. everyone thinks their views are in the name of progress. Romney never said liberal or leftist or even moderate. the progressive line is a cheap shot with no bearing in reality. Literally none of your alleged facts are accurate. you’re being taken in by talking points and smears…
but somehow it’s really not? None of it actually happened?
What fucking planet are u living on?
whats wrong with raising fees and fines? do you support slave labor? because thats the only other way to pay for a government service other than taxes. Romney slashed taxes and instead paid for things like public parks with fines and fees. thats the conservative/small government way to do things, yet you mock Romney as being the opposite and hate on me as being a liar for pointing this out. dude…
OMG! LOL So romney is on video saying he will protect a woman’s right to choose he actually did pass romneycare and passed laws to restrict guns and actually did donate to dukakis and everything I said is the truth….
The rest is better viewed as a screenshot:
And then this on my wall:
Whats up with the “get away from me” thing? I’m not a spider slowly approaching him in the shower… I’m hundreds of miles away and engaging in a 2-way conversation via the internet. weird. but this was of course promptly followed by him deleting me. oy vey.